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16 Violets
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| PJaneloke |
Date: Tuesday, 01-Apr-14, 3:18 PM | Message # 46 |
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Fran, that final scene is also the major reason I think I'm wrong (and the reason I hesitated to say anything at first). However, not because Jane looked so lonely and dejected. Because even if he hand picked the best gift (in this case a bf) for Lisbon, he will still feel lonely and dejected when his plan successes. In fact, what make this gift so precious it is because how much it cost the giver.
To me, it is when jane first came back into the room and saw Pike and Lisbon getting ready to leave and he right away intended to join in that make me doubt my own theory. Even with that, I still can't shake off the feeling that this is all Jane's plan. Too many things in this episode that foreshadow this - the title, the master plan, etc. I know I could be reading way too much into this. But since I like my theory, I shall hang on to it for awhile. ^^
As for what Jordan Harper said in his blog - I think it might be what Lisbon said in her phone call with Pike - Pike's honesty is a change from Jane's deceit. |
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| Evy |
Date: Wednesday, 02-Apr-14, 5:04 PM | Message # 47 |
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I really loved this episode!
Lots of humor! Teresa so sexy ! and (sorry everyone ....) I loved Pike.
I found sincere, sweet, tender. He asked Wiley if Jane and Lisbon are a couple. No. Then the way is clear. And I loved him when he says he wants to know her, to discover her.
Yes, the last scene, Jane on the couch alone after Teresa and Pike are gone, is sad.
But he had his chance he was alone in a house with Lisbon ................. and he sleeps downstairs on the couch.  |
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| AgentM |
Date: Wednesday, 02-Apr-14, 5:34 PM | Message # 48 |
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PJaneloke, I don't think your theory is crazy...it could partly be correct.
Jane gave every other member of the team a gift that they had secretly wanted. Lisbon got nothing. Pike could be her gift.
She has always had to look after others - her brothers and father .... and to some extent Jane. She has been the one in charge who has taken care of everyone else's needs...she deserves someone to look after her and take care of her needs. I'm certain she will have secretly thought about it. Jane really knows her and has observed her face in many situations - remember in Red Tide when she talks to the guy whose wife had been killed by a drunk driver and tells him his children need him to look after them. Jane witnessed this from afar, and said nothing. He was reading her right then.
He wants to take care of her and make her happy, but I'm sure he realises that Lisbon probably feels the need to look out for him - she's been doing it ever since they met.
Maybe Jane is 'growing up' and has learned from his past mistakes and selfishness - his wife wanted him to get out of the 'psychic' business but he wouldn't, and then he annoyed Red John and it cost him his family. He cares deeply for Lisbon and I think he loves her so much, he is willing to set her free - for her own good. He wants her to be the one who is looked after...Pike appears to offer that side of a relationship. Because they have no prior relationship or history, Lisbon is free to respond as a woman, rather than as a mother-figure/sister-figure. Jane may feel a little sad that introducing them might have been a success - that's understandable...and I think that he'll feel more lonely than ever (this appeared to be the case at the end of the episode)...but, in the long run it may well be the best thing that could have happened to both of them. Maybe Pike will last, maybe not...but I think he would be a good match for Lisbon (down to earth, obviously attracted to her and someone who makes her laugh) She deserves it.
As for Jane....the wedding ring removal was obviously necessary for the ruse....but it was firmly back on his finger, once the culprit had been apprehended. I think that says a lot.
The episode was fun. Loved the whole plan - especially the marching band, lol. So Jane! It's not my most favourite, but it was enjoyable.
Fave bits:
Lisbon covering up a sleeping Jane.
Wiley giving the briefing --- and the direct quote at the end of it.
Lisbon's dresses - especially the second one!
"One Mississippi..." 
Cho being punched by Abbott!
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| amanda |
Date: Wednesday, 02-Apr-14, 6:06 PM | Message # 49 |
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I agree Agent M
Lisbon deserves happiness. And maybe Jane realized he can not give it to her. Remember the first Lisbon's glance at the beginning of the briefing : she sees Pike for the first time and her face lights up. Jane was behind her and probably noticed it. So, PJaneloke's theory is interesting . Perhaps, as you wrote, Jane gave a gift to everyone in the team, except to Lisbon. He takes the case for her because he senses that something is possible between them. He knows she deserves to be happy.
I think Jane is made to stay alone all his life. It's his destiny 
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| marta75 |
Date: Wednesday, 02-Apr-14, 8:22 PM | Message # 50 |
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At least, a very very good episode, and a very credible couple Libspike Jane, move on ! |
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| Hayseed |
Date: Wednesday, 02-Apr-14, 11:18 PM | Message # 51 |
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Quote I think Jane is made to stay alone all his life.
That makes me profoundly sad. |
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| Fran |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 1:29 AM | Message # 52 |
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I’ve always assumed that Jane and Lisbon would end up together and although I don’t feel strongly about it, I’ve always thought it would be kind of nice. Whether or not a marriage (or similar) would work, I’ve never been sure, but I think relationships are so complex that I don’t believe there are any rules for success.
Whilst Lisbon may enjoy the novelty of being ‘looked after’ (by Pike or anyone else) in the short term, I don’t believe she would find it fulfilling in the long term. In my experience, people who have a caring nature, actually need to care for others, their lives feel empty and meaningless without that. And perhaps not surprisingly, studies have shown that the ‘carer’ feels a stronger bond than the ‘cared for’.
I don’t believe that Jane’s destiny is to be alone, people who have had a successful loving relationship are more likely to be able to have another successful relationship. Jane has a lot of love to give and has shown that he can also receive love which is just as important. I think he does look after Lisbon, there are many occasions when he’s been very protective towards her, but both people in a relationship can be carers, it doesn’t have to be a one-way street.
I do think Jane thinks he’s not good enough for Lisbon, and obviously they’re both damaged (but then who isn’t!), and they’re both control freaks which means sparks would always fly. But I also think they have a great deal of love for eachother, and actually neither of them would be satisfied with a quiet life with someone who didn't challenge them. |
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| PJaneloke |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 2:17 AM | Message # 53 |
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Once again, I'm totally with u on this one, Fran! |
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| Wand6122360 |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 5:14 AM | Message # 54 |
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Well put Fran. The only difference is that I suddenly find myself very much wanting Jane and Lisbon to get together. When I think back on all the seasons, they have had some wonderful moments together, and I would love to see those moments finally lead to even greater intimacy. I'm an optimist, so I believe they would last as a couple. |
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| AgentM |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 8:43 AM | Message # 55 |
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Fran, I agree with the fact that Lisbon may not find the being taken care of thing totally fulfilling after a while. However, I think it would be cliché for her and Jane to end up together (like Moonlighting, The X-Files, Castle etc). It wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me if they did, but I have this picture of them still seeing each other and each other's partners regularly on a social basis as well as working together (I guess like a reflection of Robin and Simon's friendship in real life). They can still love and care for each other deeply, without being married or together in that way. I've mentioned previously that they seem to use (don't like that word!) each other as a safety net - they know they can flirt with each other and it not have to go anywhere. If one or the other finds love, it is understandable that the other will perhaps feel a little afraid that their 'rock/safety net' may not always be there.
On the whole, I'd like to think of Jane and Lisbon finding love in their lives outside of each other, but all of them being good friends who are happy to socialise together. Jane and Lisbon will always be there for each other, no matter what.
I know people will disagree with me on this, and that is fine - we each have our own hopes and opinions.  |
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| Tina |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 8:46 AM | Message # 56 |
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I totally agree Fran! I've never been a Jisbon shipper, but now I think they just can't be with somebody else, it doesn't feel right for me.
It's obvious how much they love each other. I think too that Jane thinks he's not good enough for anybody, especially Lisbon. He already told her once that anybody close to him gets hurt. Even after RJ, it happened again with LaRoche and almost Rigsby and Van Pelt.
So he must be scared to let anybody get close to him and to show his feelings.
I hope, if it's really the end, it won't end with Lisbon being with Marcus. He's a nice guy, but he's not the right one for her.
I would be okay with an open end, leading towards that Lisbon and Jane will be together in the future. I don't need to much closure, because it would be nice to leave room for fanfic and dreamers like me to create new stories in their head. |
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| bee |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 9:58 AM | Message # 57 |
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Fran I agree totally with you on this, couldn't have put it better myself. Jane and Lisbon have such a long and shared history, good and bad and they have come through it supporting each other along the way. In trying to protect Lisbon, Jane may not have shown his emotions readily but it is only Lisbon that has seen a vulnerable side to Jane. She has also seen the worst side of him and has never given up on him although it must have hurt her many times. However, she is a strong person (getting over the loss of her parents and bringing up her three brothers alone has shown that). I don't believe Marcus is "the one" because at the end of the day Lisbon will find life with Jane far more fulfilling even with all his faults. Jane will never get over the death of his family and will probably feel guilty for the rest of his life and it would take a very strong woman to cope with his past and understand him completely but Lisbon, with all her strengths, will help him eventually move on to a brighter future and I hope that we see this in the last remaining episodes if there is no Season 7.
However, if (joy of joys) the show isn't cancelled I don't see a problem with them being a couple and also carrying on solving crimes, they don't have to be "lovey dovey" all the time. Just seeing them enjoy each other's company without any obstacles thrust in their way would be nice for a change and think of all their banter as a couple. The mind boggles!
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| DS_Pallas |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 2:42 PM | Message # 58 |
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Really enjoyed "Violets"! It was the typical TM script we love, with humour, a super Jane's con, interesting developments on the characters relationships side, and a bit of angst at the end. Hats off to Harper.
favourite funny moments:
Wiley briefing the team in the "fishbowl"
Fisher's reaction when she discovered her dress
Abbott grinning and looking so overjoyed to have a part in Jane's con
Lisbon on the doorstep, looking at her boobs and grumbling after she let Pulaski in
Jane's "Down, girl" and his embarassed attitude after Lisbon's comment at Pulaski mean face
The scene when the thieves break into the mansion with guns while "Patrick and Teresa" were drinking champagne, and the way Jane walks, hands up, rolling his eyes "Oh so demanding"
Well I coul go on.
I really loved seeing all the members of the team working together. I missed that recently. The dynamic was great. Abbott trusting Jane, Lisbon playing the lady of the house, Fisher as the Face, Abbott punching Cho… great moments. Even Wiley left his computers and played a cab driver.
The writer also gave us some elements of the Jane/Lisbon relationship's puzzle, introducing a third element (yes, it's a classic but it works!), the interesting thing being you can have multiple interpretations of what's happening here, as I've read in the different reactions here.
I found PJaneloke hypothesis very intriguing. Jane took up the case because: 1. He wants justice and helps the grieving widow; 2. He think it is an entertaining case; 3. He saw the opportunity to give " a gift" to Lisbon.
What Jane says to the widow is touching and directly related to the woman he will never cease to love, Angela. It's like Jordan Harper is showing us that Jane has not moved on yet, just like he expressed it to Kim Fisher on the island's beach, a few months before.
Are we further convinced with the idea that Jane will never really put his past life behind him, and will forever feel guilty and think he doesn't deserve happiness? Jane has already told Lisbon that she deserved happiness and love before, and has even push her in the arms of Mashburn.
It makes sense that he could do the same here. Observant as he is, he surely didn't missed that Lisbon and Pike get along very well. Even Jane seems to like Pike from the very beginning. So yes, Jane might have seen an opportunity to give Lisbon a "gift", as PJaneloke put it.
But the difference here is that now, after all those years and most of all the 2 years separation, he realised that seeing Lisbon accepting the "gift" is not making him so happy. In fact it makes him sad.
So if this wasn't planned, it's a painful revelation, and if all this was planned, it's a failure.
And we're left with a Jane facing his feelings. Jane realises that to give up his freedom to be with Lisbon again, taking her for granted without knowing if she was ok with it or not, was a dangerous bet.
Depending on Heller's decision, or Jane feels he's losing the bet, and has to be used to a life with "less Lisbon" in it (the hole concept of If you love somebody, set them free), or he stands up and do something, finally saying her "what she means to him" clearly.
The sad thing is, if Season 6 is the last (in all likelihood), we just have 6 more episodes to wrap this story, and that's very short story time. Hope the remaining episodes will be as good as this one. |
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| DS_Pallas |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 2:45 PM | Message # 59 |
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Come on Jane, what are you gonna do now?
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| Tina |
Date: Thursday, 03-Apr-14, 3:14 PM | Message # 60 |
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Thanks DS Pallas for putting a smile on my face! I'm so sad today, so this was a good change. |
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