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Season 7 SPOILERS
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| marta75 |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 12:20 PM | Message # 211 |
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Maybe it would make sense for Jane to die at the end of season 3 and the murder of Timothy Carter but it was no more time for that after 6 long years of Jane suffering in the RJ quest ! For once, I don't agree with Simon Baker.
IMO, killing Patrick Jane would be romantic but not very original. |
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| June |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 5:10 PM | Message # 212 |
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Quote tinamarianne (  ) I'm a little shocked that some want to see Jane dead at the end of the show
Quote coral ( ) Me too, I thought most people were rooting for him, but maybe not
What? I didn't mean that.  I think my words were misunderstood. I love The Mentalist and Patrick Jane as much as you do and I don't want to see him die, of course not. The thing is I always saw Jane as a tragic character, tormented, with a terrible sense of guilt and vengeance controlling all his life, like a curse, like a dark cloud over his head. I didn't see a happy ending for Jane, it didn't make sense to me. Too much pain, he was a broken toy. That was my interpretation of the story. A complex character as Jane admits many and one of them was that. Sad but logical, in my opinion. That doesn't mean to wish his death. I want to be clear.
We'll never know if the death of Jane was in the script, it's just a guess. Most people wanted to see Jane happy and starting a new life with Lisbon, that's what Bruno and the writers decided to make and I'm glad about that. |
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 5:12 PM | Message # 213 |
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that is the whole point isn't it. Who would watch reruns or buy DVDs if they knew the ending was frightful. The protagonist cannot die. |
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| redbird |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 8:15 PM | Message # 214 |
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I must repeat what June said - I don't want Jane to die but I, too, have never seen Patrick Jane as a "happy ending" kind of character.
And while there has certainly been a delightful amount of lightness and much humor throughout the series, I've never thought of The Mentalist as that kind of show. To me it was always a fight to the death between light and darkness and, until light finally prevailed, much of what we saw was very dark and tragic in tone. Like Simon, I've just always seen Jane as a tragic figure. |
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| coral |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 8:40 PM | Message # 215 |
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Bruno said about Jane that Simon wanted to 'take him out!' - that means kill him off. So when people said they agreed with Simon, I assumed they were agreeing that Jane should die. |
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| Tina |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 11:02 PM | Message # 216 |
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I'm wondering if Simon was really serious about it or just joking, knowing that Bruno would never go for it. For me, the RJ episodes were dark, but most episodes had so much humor and were with a light tone, Jane acting like he did, was just fun. So I really don't see this show ending with Jane's death. And yes coral, Simon's "lets take him out" meant he wants him to die and me too assumed that anybody agreeing with Simon want Jane to be killed.
I'm sorry but I'm very passionate about this. No other show and character has meant so much to me and a tragic end ...I just couldn't take it.
I don't need a wedding, I don't even need to see Jane and Lisbon as a couple. It would be okay if he leaves and she stays with the FBI, for the moment, and they leave it to viewers to imagine if maybe she changes her mind and follows him. I'm not really a Lisbon fan but I guess she is the only one who makes him happy, that's why it was okay for me that they end up together.
All that would be okay, but not one of them dying. |
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| kim |
Date: Sunday, 08-Feb-15, 11:55 PM | Message # 217 |
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I agree with Tinamarianne, I couldn't take Jane dying. I do think that Simon was serious about his wanting Jane to die in the end to complete the tragic arc of his story. I am glad though that Bruno disagreed. It would be really hard to watch the shows over again if that was the known ending. I can't really watch all of the Guardian's because of the Lulu business and the way that she treated Nick. I am already bummed out that there are only 2 weeks left, and if Jane died I would be a mess of soggy tissues. |
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| 68Dove |
Date: Monday, 09-Feb-15, 7:41 AM | Message # 218 |
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I too, am glad for a happy ending. With all the sad, dibilitating darkness in Jane's life, for him to have a future to look forward to and know he is loved and CAN love again is [b][color=red]THE ONLY WAY to bring Jane and Lisbon's story to a conclusion. BRAVO BRUNO!  |
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| June |
Date: Monday, 09-Feb-15, 12:31 PM | Message # 219 |
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We have different views about the end of The Mentalist and it's good. Still we share our passion for this series and I love to have a place to talk about that. |
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| DS_Pallas |
Date: Monday, 09-Feb-15, 1:11 PM | Message # 220 |
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I think Heller and Co found a way to satisfy Simon somewhere, as after the "Honey Moon" phase of the 2 first episodes, Jane started to find harder and harder to cope with the danger Teresa has to face every day on the field.
Every situation where she was in danger (like the prison undercover stunt that run out of control, or in Beyrouth, or when the sniper nearly killed her in Florida), seemed to pull the trigger of his post traumatic stress, more and more each time.
So we are shown a suicidal Jane, who is ready to sacrifice himself for Lisbon, who looks like he doesn't value his own life at all.
I found that very disturbing, I wonder if many people have noticed that, but if I were Lisbon, I would have been highly alerted by his behaviour, and it would come to my mind that the man I love is perturbed, stressed, and act even more crazy than usual.
Maybe Simon would have liked Jane to act suicidal, and eventually be deadly injured or something like that… Not very Out Of Character, really.
Instead, we have two characters who struggle with their own trauma, a Lisbon who's still in denial of her own issues, who's using her job as an armour, and a Jane unable to really turn the page, to control his fears, and unable to commit completely (he still wears his ring).
Well, it's tragic enough for me! |
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| bee |
Date: Monday, 09-Feb-15, 1:37 PM | Message # 221 |
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I haven't seen all of Season 7, only some, but I have to agree DSP, Jane is becoming more and more stressed and emotionally disturbed about Lisbon's safety and I can't really understand why Lisbon is being so cold-hearted about this and I'm becoming so irritated about her behaviour towards Jane in this regard. She knew from the beginning that Jane is terrified and fearful of becoming close to anyone for obvious reasons. A comforting hug for Jane wouldn't have gone amiss after the funeral either! I'm afraid I'm a little disappointed in Lisbon all she seems to think about is work which I think is a little selfish. Sorry, but that's my opinion.
Jane has a traumatic past from which I don't believe he will ever completely heal, least of all in the environment he finds himself with Lisbon. Seeing violence and death most days will not help him to overcome this constant fear he has and Lisbon should respect that. I may be in the minority but it seems to me that Lisbon could find herself another less dangerous post in the FBI. After all if it wasn't for Jane she could still be in Washington worrying about a lost stapler!! How much longer is she able to go "out in the field" anyway. She's not getting any younger and what is a few years compared to a lifetime of love with Jane! I'll get off my high horse now...... |
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| redbird |
Date: Monday, 09-Feb-15, 2:04 PM | Message # 222 |
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Lisbon has her own issues with loss as well. She didn't come into her relationship with Jane without her own trauma and damage. There is a reason that Lisbon has never really been in a relationship before - either committed or casual - and that she's never been in love before. The one thing in Lisbon's life that has always been there for her is her job - her identity as a cop - and I think that, throughout all of the conversations that she and Jane have been having over the past several episodes, all that she hears is Jane asking her to give up being a cop. I think that that's why she's standing her ground and going on and on about the random possibility that she could die getting hit by a bus, die in a car accident or die from standing in front of an oncoming train. She's so caught up in what she needs to be to maintain her comfort zone that she isn't hearing Jane say that he can no longer be the one, through the schemes that are a requirement of his job with the FBI, to place her life in danger. That's very different than asking her to stop being a cop.
Actually, until this last episode, I thought that Jane was much more able to navigate their new relationship than Lisbon. I really liked the possibilities of their role reversal with the start of their romantic relationship. This last episode with Jane's lack of concern for his own safety through me for a loop. I really had thought that he was past all of that. |
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| kim |
Date: Monday, 09-Feb-15, 8:19 PM | Message # 223 |
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I wasn't at all surprised when Jane went charging into the house as a hostage. As he said, "it doesn't hurt him if he dies" The only pain that Jane doesn't want to face is the fear of losing Lisbon to a violent end. I get that. As a parent holding my child's hand as he has a seizure or as he woke up from brain surgery, I would have traded places with him in a heartbeat. I think that it's human nature to want to take the hurt or risk yourself, rather than see it happen to someone you love. I am hoping though the writers have wrapped it up well for us. I would love to see some sort of acceptance from Jane that he can love Lisbon but can't hold too tightly. And that Lisbon gains insight into Jane's fears on a deeper level and treats them with respect and compassion. We shall see. The end is unfortunately in sight. *wipes a tear, sniff* |
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| Fran |
Date: Tuesday, 10-Feb-15, 12:00 PM | Message # 224 |
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7.11 Byzantium - Sneak Peeks 1 & 2
Sneak Peek 1 (Wiley): (1.10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5gk_ooo3AM
Sneak Peek 2 (Abbot/Cho): (0:55) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yESggTW8L_8
or http://www.spoilertv.com/2015....um.html |
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| kim |
Date: Tuesday, 10-Feb-15, 4:38 PM | Message # 225 |
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7.11 Byzantium Sneak Peek 3, 4 & 5
http://www.accesshollywood.com/the-men....2624737
http://www.etonline.com/media....-159481
(Lisbon/Abbott/Cho): (1:02) http://www.tvguide.com/news/mentalist-sneak-peek-jane-lisbon-spoilers/
Message edited by kim - Tuesday, 10-Feb-15, 7:13 PM |
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