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Red John Clues
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Tuesday, 09-Oct-12, 5:30 PM | Message # 16 |
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Nothing is coincidence. Brett stiles is in contact with RJ or has some of his associates in his Visualize sect. RJ is a vindictive man and likes to tease Patrick so burning alive one of his to get to Hightower (who we saw become more of a friend to Patrick) thus get to PJ. it was a very telling episode whichc culminated in season 3. By the way, has anyone wondered about the Visualize logo, a big eye. CBS's logo is a big eye also, coincidence?? |
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| beautyfulbabyboy |
Date: Tuesday, 09-Oct-12, 6:09 PM | Message # 17 |
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hmm, not sure, the all-seeing eye is used in many contexts - the Templars use it as a sign, you even find it on the dollar-note (on top of the pyramid)... |
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| Wand6122360 |
Date: Tuesday, 09-Oct-12, 6:25 PM | Message # 18 |
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Sylvia, I definitely wondered about that eye as well. Among all its other uses, I have always thought of it as a subtle, humorous jab at CBS.
Message edited by Wand6122360 - Tuesday, 09-Oct-12, 6:27 PM |
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| Wand6122360 |
Date: Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 4:05 AM | Message # 19 |
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On the DVD from season 1, in a section called 'Lost Evidence', there is a short video called 'Red John's Profile', which is Patrick Jane describing Red John on tv. Patrick's description of Red John as follows:
- very ordinary looking man
- mid 30's, medium height
- thinning brown hair
- methodical and tidy; keeps himself very clean
- has a small speech impediment that he's deeply ashamed of
- works at a clerical job and lives with his mother or sister in a one storey blue house with a citrus tree in the front yard, lemon he thinks
Of course , this is only guesswork on Jane's part, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a grain of truth in this.
There is a short video after this one, of a man watching tv. We don't see his face, but there is a strong implication that it's Red John. Old fashioned wallpaper, has fruits and leaves. |
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| Wand6122360 |
Date: Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 4:14 AM | Message # 20 |
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I think there might be a correlation between Red John and citrus fruits. There is the mention of the lemon tree in the Red John profile I just posted. And in the season 3 episode Red Moon, when Jane is lying on the motel bed and thinking about 'Tiger Tiger', this is immediately followed by a picture of a smiling orange on the truck of the suspect who pointed out that the female victim bicycled into the moon.
The show definitely has many displays of citrus fruits. I remember Kristina Frye had a huge one on her counter, in the episode where she is kidnapped.
Message edited by Wand6122360 - Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 4:15 AM |
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| Fran |
Date: Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 11:04 AM | Message # 21 |
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And of course the orange at the end of the Season 1 finale Red John's Footsteps  |
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| bee |
Date: Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 12:16 PM | Message # 22 |
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The fruit connection could also include strawberries and apples....who couldn't forget Lisbon asking Jane for her apple after he had been kidnapped!! I know these aren't citrus fruits but neither are cherries!!  |
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| Peithon |
Date: Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 3:34 PM | Message # 23 |
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Or he could be a florist - remember the yellow flowers from HRRH episode. Also the frozen body sitting on the mausoleum floor suggests access to a very large freezer. Or even part of the coroner's office, since had to have a vehicle to put the body in that they found when demolishing the shopping center or rather that Rebecca picked up at the morgue. Also that Bruno said RJ likes to be cold. Writer's conceit suggests RJ is in the pilot. So many tiny clues or not clues depending... |
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Thursday, 25-Oct-12, 5:33 PM | Message # 24 |
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Since RJ has many facets it could be that his minions work in different branches of the justice dept. FBI CBI local LEOs. I still think Visualize is at the core of RJ's organization and perhaps sends killers out and Carter was the one who actually had killed Patrick's family. They all seem to be brainwashed and programmed to die if necessary, that is a powerful trance. I can see Brett being the force behind all that. So Fruit or no fruit, we know he likes tea, is resourceful and cruel. |
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| Fran |
Date: Monday, 03-Dec-12, 12:52 PM | Message # 25 |
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Jane has met and probably shaken hands with RJ. It seems probable that he is is not someone Jane is friends with.
(source: 5.08 Red Sails in the Sunset) |
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| Sandra |
Date: Monday, 03-Dec-12, 5:53 PM | Message # 26 |
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As much as I would like to know who Red John is, it is balanced with the fact that once we know, the show will be over. I hope they will not end the show. It is the only entertaining show on the air at this time. I feel that the character's can each stand alone with their own story line. Look at NCIS. They have a crime a week and still have the same format and still get the high ratings. I feel that the Mentalist can do the same thing but better. |
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| beautyfulbabyboy |
Date: Monday, 03-Dec-12, 7:07 PM | Message # 27 |
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Well, knowing RJ´s identity doesn´t automatically mean the end of the show - as long he can´t be caught, I think.
But, what I also think, is: we won´t be able to find it out by all the clues we are given until Bruno wants us to! He is that clever. He will keep us thinking, lead us in wrong directions until he thinks it´s time for us to find out.
The thing is: knowing this doesn´t stop me thinking and trying to find it out!!!
Message edited by beautyfulbabyboy - Monday, 03-Dec-12, 7:07 PM |
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Sunday, 16-Dec-12, 7:34 PM | Message # 28 |
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I am still at a loss about the Homeland Security guy. What is his relationship with RJ. Why even Homeland since these guys are looking into terrorist acts against the country, not murders. Are they looking into Visualize as part of such a plot and tying in RJ into that organization? I don't believe this man is RJ but he is high up in Homeland and has FBI connections, which of course is natural. Also, why is Lisbon trying to impress him? |
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| Wand6122360 |
Date: Saturday, 06-Apr-13, 2:41 PM | Message # 29 |
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Thanks to a posting on another board, I learned that there is a Wikipedia article about Red John. It doesn't contain speculation, just gives a rundown of the entire sequence of events. The article didn't contain anything new for me, but it is very well laid out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_John |
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| Lena |
Date: Sunday, 07-Apr-13, 10:20 AM | Message # 30 |
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Wand6122360, thanks for posting the link. It's really very detailed and interesting. |
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