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| AgentM |
Date: Monday, 14-May-12, 12:51 PM | Message # 16 |
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Quote (DS_Pallas) PS: Wanna look obsessive? What about the PJ hand gesture with the thumb forming a circle with the index, the forearm slightly raised… Is it a "only Jane" gesture or a natural Baker one?
It is most definitely a Bakerism! I just watched his interview in France and he does it to emphasise a point. 
It's funny, I'd always thought that the standing pose with his hands behind his back was a Jane mannerism - showing confidence or giving a warning to people not to get too close - but when I saw him at Soccer Aid, he was doing it alot. He actually looked ever so slightly overwhelmed on that pitch - poor thing. I wanted to run down onto the field and give him a reassuring hug!
Quote (DS_Pallas) AgentM, alas no you're not
 aw shucks, thanks DS! x |
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| Fran |
Date: Monday, 14-May-12, 5:58 PM | Message # 17 |
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For me, the genius of Patrick Jane is that he’s such a complex character, that I don’t think its possible to do a definitive analysis of his personality. When I think about what makes him tick, I end up with questions rather than answers, and that’s what makes him interesting to me.
For example, the fun-loving Jane. Is he someone who’s naturally cheerful, loves life and enjoys having a bit of fun? Or is that an act to mask his pain, and make it possible for him to continue from day-to-day? Or is it mainly just a technique to disarm people, part of his mentalising. Similar questions could be asked about the arrogant Jane who is sometimes rude and insensitive to people.
But we also have the compassionate Jane. The rest of the CBI team don’t seem to agree on this one. Did con-man Jane always have a compassionate heart buried beneath the showmanship, which tragedy uncovered. Or is that compassion something new, something born from tragedy, which would imply that Red John is right to say that his actions bring enlightenment?
But perhaps what interests me most is vengeful Jane. Simon has said that he’s thought a lot about what it is about Jane that makes him need this revenge. Yes, he’s suffering from grief and guilt, but other people experience those things without embarking on a crusade like this. Is Jane basically a loner who’s whole life revolved around his family, so that after their loss the only way he could face life was to keep them at the centre of his world? Or could his competitive side, the need to be the cleverest person in the room be a factor here - that he can’t bear the thought of someone getting the better of him? Or perhaps Jane’s guilt is more painful because he has heightened feelings of protective responsibility, arising from the fact that he was not protected himself as a child. This last possibility particularly interests me because its similar to Simon’s need to create a happy family, so I wonder if he brought this to the table, as we have seen Jane being especially protective towards children. |
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| AgentM |
Date: Wednesday, 23-May-12, 8:43 AM | Message # 18 |
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Interesting points, Fran. Is it ever really possible to know what goes on inside a person? I don't think so - esp Patrick Jane. There are so many convoluted twists and turns within his psyche that I think would baffle even the greatest of psychiatrists and psychologists!
Complexity is good - gives edge to the character, and SB does it so amazingly well. 
NB - slightly off topic -- does anyone else think that SB chose PJ's wardrobe because it was similar to that of the conman character (played by Robert Redford) in The Sting - that classic con film? |
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Wednesday, 23-May-12, 4:41 PM | Message # 19 |
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Just a thought about his chosing the vest. It has allowed Simon to be more comfortable, i.e. no ties, soft cotton shirts and that rumpled but dressed up look that is the conflicted charactor he portrays. Robin Tunney has also mentioned the couch which Simon chose so he can rest on the job, Ha Ha, and the shoes which are his favorite kicks. Has anyone else noticed the monogramed shirtcuffs. |
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Wednesday, 23-May-12, 4:41 PM | Message # 20 |
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Before analyzing the final episode, read in context of the book "Modern Man in Search of a Soul" by Carl gustv Jung which is the book Patrick is reading in this episode, I am always interested in the choice of books In most episodes and why they were chosen. Anyone have suggestions, going back to the past years, what insight into what makes patrick tick. |
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| AgentM |
Date: Wednesday, 06-Jun-12, 6:49 PM | Message # 21 |
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Puzzles. Lateral thinking. Being right. Being smarter than everyone else. Pointing out other peoples' flaws. I could go on!!!!!
Previously it was getting one over on other people - that's still there to some extent. Due to the fact that he is so complicated and multi-faceted, it would be difficult to pinpoint a definitve list!
He's very well read - from Dostoevsky's 'Crime and Punishment' to books about communism and Mao Tse Tung to trivial facts about baseball! I love checking out the books on his desk and the window sill in the office. I'm an avid reader so tend to like seeing what interests other people. A person's bookshelf says a great deal about them! Plus it gives me ideas for my reading list! |
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| sylvia5993 |
Date: Wednesday, 06-Jun-12, 11:08 PM | Message # 22 |
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I too am an avid reader and always wonder about the choice of books the writers hand Simon for the scene. In Crimson Hat he is reading Jung's "Modern Man in search of his soul" which is interesting considering the situation he has just put himself and Lisbon in jeopardy and pretends he does not remember his last words to her. How conflicted is he at this point? Bruno has many more tricks up his creative sleeve so we'll just have to stick around for the ride. |
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| DS_Pallas |
Date: Thursday, 07-Jun-12, 11:07 AM | Message # 23 |
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Quote (sylvia5993) Has anyone else noticed the monogramed shirtcuffs.
Wow, eagle eye! Can you mention a particular episode, please? |
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